tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post679305691875003618..comments2022-03-02T17:47:57.151-08:00Comments on Edmonds School District Weblog: Board Meeting Report – October 7thESD15.orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13226260553219032275noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-2828578960265845962008-10-14T19:01:00.000-07:002008-10-14T19:01:00.000-07:00Thanks to all the blogger for your support. Toget...Thanks to all the blogger for your support. Together we can make a change. Sometimes change takes time but I know it can be done. I can't tell you how many thank you's I have received from district employees. I want to give my home email address. At this time I don't want anyone writing to me at work regarding the blog. Not that I don't trust the district but one never knows who is watching. Everett found out the hard way. email address: rlherrm@comcast.net<BR/><BR/>Please attend the the 10/24 board meeting. I thought about everyone coming in wearing a paperbag over their head now that would make a statement. <BR/><BR/>thru the eyes of Linda HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-86470333566626546352008-10-12T16:15:00.000-07:002008-10-12T16:15:00.000-07:00I have done many things in my life time that I nev...I have done many things in my life time that I never thought I could do and I survived. I am a survivor, life will not end for me when I don't have a job. I just want to leave the district on my own terms. I hope that all my years in the district I have helped just one person through a tough time and they kept their job if I have done that then life is good.<BR/><BR/>I have been known for writing to people at the top to get things moving. I wrote to OSPI when my grandson's district was not doing the right thing for a child with special needs. That district was audited and found to be at fault. I had teachers in the special needs program write letters to thank me for what I did. No I did not use the process of going to the teacher, principal and supt. - No I went to the top that is how I work. I wrote to the top man for SEIU when I saw that the members from that group were not getting the representation they should have been receiving. After all they pay union dues. I never heard from Mr. Stern but I sure did get some movement for those members. Their again I did not got thru the correct process but went to the top. Things seem to get more attention when you go to the top. After all it only took one parent to call Nick and complain about a tray of food being taken away, our Food Service Dept. went into debt big time from that one call. I think their were better choices to be made but we weren't give the opportunity to even discuss any choices. The Board and Nick had spoken. I would not want kids to go hungry but please tell me how many district in the state of Washington feed students free. Eating as much and as many meals as they wanted. No discussion with parents when that decision was made. Of the district in the state that fed students free how many were an enterprise program. And then how many fed free for 3 years and just decided the debt was too high and stopped the free for all program with parents being more than a little upset. Having the discussion with parents before the free for all and charging meals should have happened at the beginning not at the end.<BR/><BR/>through the eyes of Linda HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-5480666452565412132008-10-12T13:50:00.000-07:002008-10-12T13:50:00.000-07:00I second the statement made herein, that no one wi...I second the statement made herein, that no one will walk in the shoes of Brian Benzel, as a true leader. Brian was a Superintendent who was respected, and one who would LISTEN to the many groups of employees, i.e. EEA, Teachers union, PSE, Classified employees union, Warehouse personnel, etc. I remember when I organized an end-of-year Banquet for office personnel and invited Brian Benzel to come by and speak to the group. He not only showed up to speak, but sat down and had dinner with us, and mingled with all who attended. Brian had time for ALL employees of the Edmonds School District, not just a chosen "few".<BR/>The Edmonds School District was a place where jobs were respected, employees wanted to come to work and gave their "ALL" because they knew they were valued, no matter what position one was hired to do. <BR/>What ever happened to a District where parents clamored to have their children attend?? Let's find another "Brian Benzel" once Nick leaves. Julie DeNoma, Retired, Elementary Secretary/Office ManagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-40893628183139436632008-10-12T13:33:00.000-07:002008-10-12T13:33:00.000-07:00KUDOS to Linda Herr for signing her statement on t...KUDOS to Linda Herr for signing her statement on the BLOG. Linda has been active in PSE, Public School Employees Union, for many years, holding the position of President more than one time. Linda is a dedicated employee, working in Food Services, and has always given excellent customer service, knows her job inside and out, and is respected as an honest employee. <BR/>Julie DeNoma<BR/>Retired, <BR/>Elementary Office ManagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-74188643440541210412008-10-11T21:12:00.000-07:002008-10-11T21:12:00.000-07:00At his original mass meeting with all district emp...At his original mass meeting with all district employees, Nick vaguely outlined changes to come, then stated that if you were a longtime teacher and not interested in changing, you should find something else to do. <BR/><BR/>This was taken by many as a threat. Why not say, "We're all professionals and I know that we can pull together, make the changes in our teaching and improve learning for all of our students"? That would have been more inspiring, more like a leader. Why did Nick choose to frame his remarks in the negative rather than a more positive statement? <BR/><BR/>It seems to have worked out just as Nick said; if you were perceived to be against "the program" you would be pushed out and age was the starting point of the "evaluation." <BR/><BR/>I doubt that Marla is the "man behind the curtain." I have no evidence to disprove the theory that our issues with the principals (plural; the next one was equally ill-equiped to be employed in that position) started at a higher level of administration. Available evidence indicates the opposite. If the higher administration were not complicit in pushing senior staff out, Limon would have taken our (more than just me went to talk to him) concerns more seriously. <BR/><BR/>Silence is consent; Limon was silent, HR was silent, Nick had an opportunity to talk to Chris after the public meeting in which she expressed fear of the former principal who was up for promotion but he remained silent. <BR/><BR/>Silence kills. If victims remain silent, the bullies will continue to run the district. Remaining silent plays into the hands of the bullies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-31992647599980113722008-10-11T18:28:00.000-07:002008-10-11T18:28:00.000-07:00Well guys I have been well known in the district t...Well guys I have been well known in the district to speak my mind. Not always a good thing but I do it any way. When I was involved with the union I always investigated information before I would report to either the union or the powers that be in the district. I did the same when filing a grievance. I guickly found that if you did not do the follow thru you usually ended up holding the bag. I can't tell you the number of members that would come to me but when I went to the district they would back down because they were afraid of retaliation. I don't blame them but I didn't want my neck on the line if they would not support the information they gave me. After hitting the wall a few times I decide I needed to make sure all information was correct. So I will do so with any posting I make on this blog. I would not be writing to the blog if I had not witness Nick at the board meeting. If I treated anyone that way I would be out of a job and should be. I know I have enemies in the district but when they come to me for help or information I treat them just as I would any other customer. I don't have to talk to those people on any other level but I will help them if they become a customer in my work area. I think Nick needed to take that high road he has talked about and show respect and great customer service even if he does not like Mr. J.<BR/><BR/>By the way I have no plans on leaving my job. thanks for the support!<BR/><BR/>through the eyes of Linda HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-23656535176093945382008-10-11T17:43:00.000-07:002008-10-11T17:43:00.000-07:00This is a truly amazing set of posts. It confirms ...This is a truly amazing set of posts. It confirms my own personal experiences with the District (I have never before brought up the retaliation I personally experienced by Dr. Nancy Cartwright when my son was forcibly removed from the Challenge Program by her in retaliation for the advocacy of my child) as well as the personal accounts I heard while researching the Facilities Use Policy.<BR/><BR/>Unsurprisingly, I wrote a professional email to Mr. Harding requesting clarification on the proposed new policy and, after almost a week, have not received even the courtesy of a response acknowledging receipt much less a reply.<BR/><BR/>Linda Herr is a brave person for speaking up. One word of comfort we might offer is that the Administration knows there are many, many eyes on her and any hint of retribution will be seen and challenged by a lot of people - there are strength in numbers.<BR/><BR/>All I can say is that we need a call to action. Look in the upcoming days for such a call. There are 2 board positions coming up for election and we must be prepared to put our time into supporting candidates that want to change the Status Quo.<BR/><BR/>To the Board Members - I still remain focused ON THE ISSUES. If you wish support, then listen and take action to what is being said. Not just lip service, this has most definitely become a political issue and will begin to be conducted in such a manner. The culture of fear must end.<BR/><BR/>P.S. to Readers -- Check to see what "Director District" you live in if you are interested - especially #2 and #4.Rick Jorgensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02943109379666847658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-72915357234612432402008-10-11T17:18:00.000-07:002008-10-11T17:18:00.000-07:00If Linda is retaliated against, the bully identifi...If Linda is retaliated against, the bully identified is going to eat a few! That person or group will pay!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-91517290850080593422008-10-11T15:40:00.000-07:002008-10-11T15:40:00.000-07:00Thank you Rick for this timely entry. We have and...Thank you Rick for this timely entry. We have and are suffering at the district office. Nick has said he has an open door policy. while that might be true, he shares everything with Marla and she has and will always use her position to retaliate against anyone who gets in the way of what she wants. She has Nick brainwashed. Nick needs to take off the rose colored glasses and put on reality. If he could see that every subject that has come up in the blog or the newspaper, Marla is in the subject line whether direct or indirect. If she suspects that you have said something that does not agree with her ideas or methods, rest assured that she will find a way to retaliate against you. <BR/><BR/>I believe that if Nick would just put Marla on an administrative leave of absence, and do an indepth investigation into the matters that have arisen, I feel that 100% of the issues mentioned in this blog could be resolved. I can't for the life of me understand why Nick has not ordered an investigation. He has an obligation to the taxpayers to insure that there has been no misuse of public funds. If indeed documents have disappeared, this would be all the more reason to have an investigation. I would think that Marla would want her name cleared. I would imagine that the district has spent thousands of dollars that could have been used in the classroom. Marla being in charge of so many areas, only make the taxpayers more suspicious of her dealings. Common sense would tell you to remove the suspect until they have been cleared of all wrong doings.<BR/><BR/>Nick, there are folks in the district who remain anonymous because, you have not assured anyone that they would be protected against Marla and others on your Supt. Staff. What you have failed to realize is that even your support staff in the Supt. Staff office use their position and who they work for to threaten those working at the ESC. If they do not get their way, believe me when I say, they will with threats from your staff.<BR/><BR/>But I also need to make something clear in this mess. The junk taking place at the Edmonds School District #15 did not start with Nick. I believe when Brian Benzel left the Edmonds School District, every evil things came into being at the Edmonds School District #15. Brian Benzel was a true born leader and would not have tolerated the things going on right now. He would be over seeing the district. Not one Supt. since Brian Benzel left has worn the shoes of a leader. Every Supt. since Brian Benzel left has allowed Marla to run the Edmonds School District #15. Nick, was the hope we had that this hemorrage would stop. As it goes in life, things must get worse before they can get better. <BR/><BR/>As for Ms. McMurray, she want last long on the right side of things. I will bet that Marla will arrange a meeting with her and convience her to never raise a doubt against her.<BR/><BR/>I admire Linda Herr for standing up and using her name. Others would do the samething, but know that they would be on the hit list and eliminated quickly. But I know that change is coming and more will be joining Linda. For the person who said "Goodbye, Linda". If Linda is fired or released, we will, and I hope Nick will know for sure that RETALIATION IS ALIVE AND BEING PRACTICED AT THE EDMONDS SCHOOL DISTRICT #15.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-68788862611051492032008-10-11T09:54:00.000-07:002008-10-11T09:54:00.000-07:00I stand corrected. I do not envy Linda. I admire...I stand corrected. I do not envy Linda. I admire her. <BR/><BR/>To envy the path she has chosen would be seeking to relive the process that resulted in my unpreventable departure. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.ESD15.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13226260553219032275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-53325093691176596662008-10-10T22:25:00.000-07:002008-10-10T22:25:00.000-07:00Thank you Linda. There IS strength in numbers, guy...Thank you Linda. <BR/><BR/>There IS strength in numbers, guys. They can't retaliate against everyone at once. The bully wins when you keep quiet while they pick you off one by one. <BR/><BR/>That is worth repeating: the bully wins when you keep quiet.<BR/><BR/>You cannot let that continue to happen. The way to defeat them is to stand as a block, draw strength from each other. If you stand together it's harder to isolate you and make you feel alone. <BR/><BR/>Who else is going to stand up with Linda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-23605116262315029932008-10-10T19:15:00.000-07:002008-10-10T19:15:00.000-07:00What's the story with the Food Services gal who wa...What's the story with the Food Services gal who was mentioned in the newspaper as complaining that kids' lunch trays were being thrown away? Did she contact the newspaper or KOMO TV or what? How is she doing after some sort of whistleblowing? Does she still have a job?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-68953996571717834152008-10-10T19:13:00.000-07:002008-10-10T19:13:00.000-07:00Goodbye Linda Herr. It was nice knowing you.Goodbye Linda Herr. It was nice knowing you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-61624411051280785252008-10-10T18:00:00.000-07:002008-10-10T18:00:00.000-07:00I would say Linda Herr's decision to take a stand ...I would say Linda Herr's decision to take a stand and speak is admirable--not enviable. Thank you, Linda. You are definitely part of the backbone of this district. Who else will join and support this district and come together in dialogue? I feel a fresh wave of change coming....<BR/>Retaliation Worshippers beware...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-61442711156348524912008-10-10T17:27:00.000-07:002008-10-10T17:27:00.000-07:00Bravo. Your strength and courage are enviable.I k...Bravo. Your strength and courage are enviable.<BR/><BR/>I know several great lawyers - and a few firms to avoid.<BR/><BR/>Always Mark Zandberg.<BR/>Never Anonymous.ESD15.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13226260553219032275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-47810777050059078532008-10-10T17:03:00.000-07:002008-10-10T17:03:00.000-07:00I've decided to post using my first name I will si...I've decided to post using my first name I will sign this one with my full name. Now remember all of you bloggers if I get fired or pulled into a meeting to discuss my constitutional rights to freedom of speech I may need your support. After all the district does not retaliate. My comments will contain my first name after all Nick's big complaint about the blog is being anonymous. And everyone if I can do this so can you. Just make sure the postings are your precipation or the truth as you know it. We don't want any untruths posted of course<BR/><BR/>As Linda H sees it<BR/><BR/>I am Linda Herr from the ESCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-2636958203552612462008-10-10T06:26:00.000-07:002008-10-10T06:26:00.000-07:00Writing on the blog is a lot like being a "whistle...Writing on the blog is a lot like being a "whistleblower". Many workers know it's just too dangerous to reveal the truth. We see it in the newspapers all the time--whistleblowers are fired, demoted, ridiculed. Oh sure, sometimes they sue their boss and win a huge lawsuit, but not without loss of self esteem and sometimes loss of family. It's safer to write on the blog and hope that some blog-friendly Board members are soon elected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-4967352973849671702008-10-09T18:29:00.000-07:002008-10-09T18:29:00.000-07:00How many times have I heard this statement in the ...How many times have I heard this statement in the district "lead by example" when will I see the leaders start to lead by example?<BR/><BR/>Linda H as she sees itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-26315047662269798272008-10-09T17:18:00.000-07:002008-10-09T17:18:00.000-07:00I was at the Board meeting of Oct. 7, 2008. After...I was at the Board meeting of Oct. 7, 2008. After that meeting I wanted to write an email to Director McMurray, but I couldn't find her email anywhere on the district web site. So I attempted to call the "switchboard" at 425-431-7000. I started calling today at 3:30pm and I kept receiving a recorded message saying they were busy and I needed to call back. So I tried 3 or 4 times and I just got annoyed that I couldn't get an answer. But then it became a challenge. I thought, "By golly, I'm going to see how long it takes to talk to the person at the switchboard." I kept redialing, waiting a couple of minutes and redialing again. Finally at 3:57pm, after at least 12 tries, I got a person at the switchboard. I asked for Director McMurray's email and the gal had a terrible time finding it. Finally she said it was mcmurraya@edmonds.wednet.edu. Other people might have given up after dialing for 27 minutes! They sure don't make it easy to contact a school board member!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-3960738925896723872008-10-09T10:51:00.000-07:002008-10-09T10:51:00.000-07:00Thank you everyone for commenting to my post. I fu...Thank you everyone for commenting to my post. I fully expected that it would not be as popular with this audience on some points and am willing to take anonymous criticism (that was a joke, all). I don't take it personally.<BR/><BR/>I understand that we may disagree on some points but what we DO agree on is the fact that the problem exists and must be changed. Based on my personal interaction with Dr. B, I have little confidence that the situation will change under his leadership but he IS accountable to the Board and the BOARD is accountable to the election process. My comments are no longer addressed to Dr. B - they are to the board at a policy level and to bring to light issues that they can address. If they choose not to, they can be accountable at election time. If Director McMurray (or others) continues to take appropriate action, then we should support her. If not, make her accountable at election time. <BR/><BR/>There are a number of people that are considering running against some of the board. I'm also one of those people. By obtaining 3 board seats, we can change the direction of the District. In order to do that, we need campaign funds and media coverage of the issues. Both are occurring. Mark and I are talking about a couple of options that will support local candidates to oppose Board members that are ineffective. Additionally, I have been in contact with a reporter for with the Enterprise to attempt to raise issues on a media level.<BR/><BR/>I believe that the public will better support change if we stick to the issues. It's completely within your rights to "flame" but truthfully, I think it doesn't serve the cause. We can respectfully disagree on this point.<BR/><BR/>I understand that I have made an "enemy" by speaking out. Well, that just goes with the territory. One must be willing to take the heat if they want change. I'm willing to do that for a better environment for our kids. I'm not out to "win" - rather to do my best to make our environment better. That includes working with anyone to make that happen. Dr. B, if you would like to work together toward a solution instead of attacking, I'm ready and willing to do so.Rick Jorgensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02943109379666847658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-7528942912850061302008-10-09T07:38:00.000-07:002008-10-09T07:38:00.000-07:00I was also at the board meeting and heard of this ...I was also at the board meeting and heard of this blog for the first time. I have alot of reading to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-9515154718857659592008-10-08T21:29:00.000-07:002008-10-08T21:29:00.000-07:00ESC, Education Supports Children, Everyone Serves ...ESC, Education Supports Children, Everyone Serves Children, ESC, Edmonds Saves Community, Each Student Counts, ESC, Every Slice (of)Cheese, ESC, Energy Sapped Continuously, Edmonds Schools Chief, ESC, Eloquent Speeches Created, ESC, Ever See Children?<BR/>Escape Serious Challenges, ESC, Establish Standards Culture, Ethics Segue Conduct, ESC, Elephant Sized Contracts, Ever Seriously Contemplate what the ESC WAS CREATED FOR? Command and Control? or Support and Serve? <BR/>You should be asking me every day, "How can I help you?" Not making piano deals. Not skimping on meals. KIDS, KIDS, KIDS! That's why you and I have jobs. Board Members--it is your duty and job description to serve this community by asking WHY? WHY? WHY?<BR/>We need to see more intentional leadership, questioning, probing, and taking action. This blog has been around for over a year and have I ever seen Board Members walking through our buildings to talk with their most important resource? Their human resource? Never! Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-75167356891559559252008-10-08T20:45:00.000-07:002008-10-08T20:45:00.000-07:00I too attended the board meeting last night. As I...I too attended the board meeting last night. As I told Nick this morning I was so unhappy about his speech to Mr. J that I walked out. I don’t need to attend a board meeting to listen to that kind of attack. Nick should be the bigger man. He responded to all other participates in a very kind and professional way but not Mr. J. I saw the school board freeze in their chairs maybe they were tired or they were embarrassed by his behavior. Nick told me two people applauded when he finished his speech but he didn’t say it was Mr. Harding and his friend or I would have had something to say regarding that issue too. I was very honest with Nick regarding how I felt about the board meeting. How many of those community members will continue to speak out after seeing and hearing this attack. I have lived retaliation I have felt retaliation and I know how it works. My example was an employee talks to their boss about a situation and the boss retaliates by cutting the hours for that employee. District says oh we had a budget cut in this department it has nothing to do with retaliation. The district is very good about twisting the retaliation problem to not be retaliation but a district decision. I have seen this happen in this district. Retaliation is BAD and needs to be dealt with and not brushed off as just a disgruntled employee. I have no problem speaking up when and where I see it is appropriate but I also know how to control my temper. I am a very passionate person on many issues and I accept those that have other views. <BR/><BR/>At the round table today their was a great conversation. The conversations started when Sue Venable talked about what process the parent should use to work out problems at the building level. The conversation turned to retaliation between teacher and/or principal and parent. The student is retaliated against or the parents are labeled as problem parents in the district. One parent who happened to also be a teacher at one time told how teachers would talk about the “bad” student and/or family in the staff lounge. When it was time to place the student no teacher would want that student maybe because of the family or maybe it was the student. It is so sad to know that students are used in such a way. I’m sure every district could have this scenario happen in their district. <BR/><BR/>In closing I think Mr. J. you have made an enemy and you will never win the war. They will be no winners and the losers will always be the students.<BR/><BR/>As Linda H saw it.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-13483330168141478382008-10-08T15:31:00.001-07:002008-10-08T15:31:00.001-07:00We need change bad.We need change bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29571009.post-6388198664877106482008-10-08T15:31:00.000-07:002008-10-08T15:31:00.000-07:00I've worked in this district for sometime now. I w...I've worked in this district for sometime now. I wish, I could speak up. I know what will happen to me. So by saying that, I thank all of you, for standing up for all of us, who CAN"T.<BR/>Our jobs are on the line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com